tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post3473605236471737348..comments2024-03-04T06:54:50.622-06:00Comments on Reactive Champion: Kathy Sdao Seminar: Why That "Treat Thing" Doesn't Always WorkCrystal (Thompson) Barrerahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01738188430244886019noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post-78701038340813930482015-04-01T21:44:26.953-05:002015-04-01T21:44:26.953-05:00What you described as trace conditioning is actual...What you described as trace conditioning is actually forward conditioning.<br /><br />Trace conditioning is presenting the stimuli first and then giving the treat US while the CS is still present. <br /><br />For example: CS is present for 5 seconds and the US is presented during the last few second of this and a little bit after that.Msminnamousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02822794260935232733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post-30363358067061741252013-08-14T08:47:06.798-05:002013-08-14T08:47:06.798-05:00Crystal, I have just discovered your wonderful Blo...Crystal, I have just discovered your wonderful Blog, it fantastic, like going to all those seminars that i would like to have been able to go on. <br />I also have big problems with avoiding the scary triggers. sometimes my dog is freaking out on a daily basis. I live in the country in the south of spain and i'm on a regular cycle route where people often pass by on bikes completly out of the blue and my dog doesn't cope. so even if i am trying to cc in other training sessions it just isn't having any affect because the daily scenarios are hard to control : (<br />it's very helpful to read your notes from kathy's seminar. makes a lot of sense and i feel encouraged too that i'm not the only one having problems with cc : )<br />CarolineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post-38959963945287106022011-09-19T11:23:15.899-05:002011-09-19T11:23:15.899-05:00Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. And good to kno...Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. And good to know it's not just me that has a hard time with it!Ninsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926615638315977082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post-81259921001892012322011-09-17T12:29:01.186-05:002011-09-17T12:29:01.186-05:00Ninso, yes, you're right that you can't do...Ninso, yes, you're right that you can't do this stuff 100%. Kathy was pretty honest about that in the seminar, and it's part of why she said CC just can't be a long term solution. It's just not practical at best and it's impossible at worst. <br /><br />I've also had the experience of feeding regardless of the dog's reaction (and then later getting that behavior offered, sigh). I want to say this is why it's so vital to keep your dog under threshold while doing CC work, but I also know how hard that can be. Maisy's threshold was often quite unpredictable pre-medication. <br /><br />What it boils down to, I think, is that the science is pretty clear, but the science was discovered in pretty sterile environments. So, while it's good to understand, it's more difficult to use in the real world. I think that's why we see so many operant counter conditioning strategies (like Look at That and BAT) that seek to both change the dog's emotions AND teach the dog what to do instead.Crystal (Thompson) Barrerahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01738188430244886019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post-61145027147098912682011-09-17T12:10:40.559-05:002011-09-17T12:10:40.559-05:00Great info, but I think this is tough to pull off ...Great info, but I think this is tough to pull off in real life. If you can't isolate your dog 100% from the scary thing while training, and if you can't set up situations that you have 100% control over the stimulus on a very frequent basis, I think it's going to be really difficult to get the result you're looking for. At least, that has been my experience with Jun. Set-ups once a week at the most is not enough and incidental contact between those will undermine all your work. Unforuntately, this makes CC not a particularly viable option for my dog and her particular fears.<br /><br />Another interesting point is that you are supposed to feed regardless of the dog's reaction to the stimuli, however in some cases this can actually reward the undesirable behavior. Interestingly, it still has the effect you want on the dog's emotional state, so you could end up with a dog who is no longer fearful but whose behavior hasn't changed. Or if your dog was not actually fearful to begin with (like Elo) you're just rewarding bad behavior. So this would be a situation where skipping CC or moving to an operant strategy very quickly might be more effective.Ninsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926615638315977082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post-33096548935925545602011-09-16T10:17:16.125-05:002011-09-16T10:17:16.125-05:00Oh my gosh, THANK YOU NOEL. I don't know how I...Oh my gosh, THANK YOU NOEL. I don't know how I missed this in my editing process, but you're absolutely correct. I've fixed that (huge, blatant, awful) error! THANK YOU for pointing it out. :)Crystal (Thompson) Barrerahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01738188430244886019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1101438868458660054.post-47952867798882155512011-09-16T10:01:17.114-05:002011-09-16T10:01:17.114-05:00I believe this line is backwards:
"If a scar...I believe this line is backwards:<br /><br />"If a scary thing predicts food, then the food becomes associated with fear."<br /><br />I believe you meant:<br /><br />If food predicts a scary thing, then the food becomes associated with fear. <br /><br />Otherwise great article and very useful summary of using classical conditioning.<br /><br />NoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com